are glocks safe to carry chambered

I carry a Glock 21 with a round in the chamber I constantly handle the gun to keep excellent muscle memory if you dont want to have the gun fire dont touch trigger. No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. I too have a P89. Dave: And the 1911 series 80 fits into that category. this aint 1902 with a Colt .38 Long primitive revolver and you probably aint riding a horse in pursuit of cattle thieves. OFC, in an experiment such as DGs above, we have to have that case in some sort of chamber, to hold the round in perfect position in line with the front of the firing pin while some other device provides the inertia to fire. Is it a lot of work to train to the level where you never get it wrong? Am I being silly? Glock handguns are extremely personalized, and gun owners have the choice to change out sights and sets off. Thats not a very fresh idea. It likewise utilizes a cocking system that is unique amongst striker-fired pistols. You need to load the gun, aim and fire while under stress in the event that you actually need to use it. IOWs, pathetic sheeple. My point is that I see no benefit in limiting my defensive options. Unfortunately, some may not and I have no idea which do and which do not. Do you, punk? Been reading the thread here on this topic, since we all have an O I quite agree with your spot on comment Sir. Have you ever tried carrying your bolt action on a loaded round with the striker down? I am lacking a rapier and main gauche though so maybe not ready for the six fingered man. The others can safely be carried with a round under the hammer, with little to no chance of firing if the hammer should be hit or snagged. But that would be true for almost ANY gun that didnt have a manual safety engaged. Lets face cold hard facts the more chances you take the more likely you will run out of luck, usually much sooner than later. Ok, maybe youre taking off your holster and you drop the whole dang thing on the floor. Ive said it once, Ill say it again. I have four (4) SA revolvers. Because they have no external safety, Glocks are quicker to draw and fire. Holstered the Glock like that into kydex holster. Almost as good as a ball peen hammer. A GLOCK does not have an external manual safety. Clearly not enough to train for scenarios where chambering a round can be life or death. Because if youre smart enough to be worried about a Glock short trigger and trigger safety, youre probably smart enough to know you need to train so that your trigger finger is never in the trigger until the sights are on target, and you take the time to inspect your holster for obstructions before holstering or unholstering. In order to fire, the pin needs to be hit hard enough to continue forward, past the point of contact with the hammer, and then into the primer. I do not carry a Glock and sorry 1911 fanatics I would only carry a 1911 with the hammer down (series 80) and chamber empty with a Series 70 and since I do not like to carry any gun with the chamber empty that is why I do not carry any longer my series 70 and pre-series 70 (original 1911) . Carrying a single-action pistol cocked-and-locked is far and away the best method of carry. So when does your Glock actually have a likely chance of discharging in those two most common klutz behaviors while handling a firearm? I carry my Jericho the same way. Glocks, Sig Sauer, Smith and Wesson, Barretta, and many other makes are safe to carry chambered, They have . Its an unsafe design from 2 aspects, the fact that it acts much like a single action weapon with the hammer cocked back and no manual safety and it has a totally unsafe asinine take down system. The Israelis didn't invent the practice but it got the name from Israeli armed forces policy. There we go. Widen your horizons. Carry chambered ever since. And unlike Mad, I DO make mistakes. Or remembering faulty? Do other people carry Glocks in IWB holsters with chambered rounds? Subscribe and receive the latest information on GLOCK products and more. Again, though, training is the answer. There are a lot of older pistols manufactured without a drop safety feature. He also runs his own Gun Blog and YouTube Channel. Of course, when I was a soldier, I listened to guys who had been there. and you can have a hammer strap optioned for anything with a hammer except dao. Ive carried in condition one for nearly 25 years. The Glock 17M and Glock 19X are two designs with Gen 5 features. They will not fire unless someone puts their finger on the trigger and squeezes. I dont know who else to contact. Because that argument is stupid in the first place, because the entire discussion is about *carrying* not about whether you should carry. I have four. Carrying this way isn't for everybody though. Just old school geeze, too used to doing the hard chit the same way, but it worked for me. While holstering, train yourself to make damn sure theres nothing in the way. You can conceal the Glock 43 comfortably and discretely in a Galco leather holster like the . So I traded it. They do have a half cock notch that you could use to carry on a loaded chamber, but theres a reason they say, Dont go off half-cocked. More solid irrefutable proof that the Glock is an accident waiting to happen. the department said it was the pistols fault. Usually I just get to see Colt SAAs with 16 chamber cylinders. . Keep your finger off of it and your should be good to go. From someone that ignorant, nothing he says or does would surprise me. If anybody could advise me, I'd be grateful. OFC, most people would rather just follow the herd, but that isnt reasonable, logical, nor wise. Older single action revolvers or those still manufactured without a hammer block/transfer bar are theoretically more prone to discharge back in the day when you ride a horse as the drop from that position could allow the pistol to rotate muzzle up when it lands. These Glocks have been beat to death and not once has the gun " fired " without some sort of trigger manipulation. Cruiser ready generally refers to a gun that has a loaded magazine but an empty chamber. plan A: have an empty gun you throw onto the ground to start the action. Glock claims that this translates into longer pistol longevity as well as better accuracy overall. Hm. Not much difference really. Does the Glock fire then? Many firearms enthusiasts and experts consider it to be the most effective and efficient way to carry a handgun for self-defense. So yes, its completely safe. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. I carry a 5 shot .357 magnum revolver a good deal of the time. SOME of these guns (Ruger, Rough Rider, IWI, Freedom Arms, Linebaugh) have transfer bar safeties and thus can be carried fully loaded. For the most part.if the gun goes offsomeone pulled the trigger. The Sig 320 problem was that it had an internal block but dropping (or smacking it with a hammer) could make the trigger move to disengage the firing pin block. Modern handguns are designed to be carried with a loaded chamber. Is A Glock Safe To Carry Chambered. In the case of a fast draw in a conflict, you dont have time to check, but you still have time to keep your finger out of the trigger guard. I have no issue using any of my Glocks as a SD gun, nor do I have any issue using any of my 1911s, any of my revolvers, or any of my other guns. He thinks one big long post thats all one sentence is not a mistake. Well, its nice to know Im negligible. No, but itll do the job in almost all instances. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Made up a little fixture to hold the gun on a piece of pipe, stood up on a ladder and let the gun fall onto its muzzle. I really, really wish the powers that be could find someone to get this comment section to work right. The first click is there so the hammer isnt resting on the cartridge. I always wanted to see in a western someone who knew he was about to get into a gunfight slip that 6th round into his Colt SAA. Does the Mossad or other Israeli special services Israeli carry? Discharge during take down? Someone with little firearms experience who feels over confident in his/her carry technique is more likely to find him/herself in trouble. about carrying or keeping a gun with a round in the chamber. Glocks are designed with internal safety features to prevent accidental discharge. Modern revolvers (Smith & Wesson, Taurus, Ruger, Kimber) have transfer bar safeties and as such theres no need to mention it.. gun owner would not have a clue on how the gun actually worked or how dangerous it was to handle and carry because what a Moron cannot see a Moron does not fear. I know, its a big word, all scary long and has lots of syllables, but try it out. Obviously carrying concealed greatly reduces the odds of your gun being taken, but that doesnt mean that precautions arent in order. Between the trigger safety, the firing pin safety and the drop safety I feel very comfortable carrying it chambered. So, as DG said, its a problem in search of a solution. What I want then is a big bang noise when I pull the trigger, and not much else. Yes Sir I do and the ones scattered in the house also. Nice catch. Actually I carry a revolver, which is 1000% better at typical bad breath self defense ranges than an AR and 100% better than a semi-auto pistol that will get pushed out of battery on a contact shot. I'd recommend a Hard Kydex holster like a comp-tac infidel. Colt change the SAA!? None of those things make any difference at all. Yep, if you havent actually ever been in a gunfight before you can shut the f#*k up about what or how I carry. . Not an appreciable amount of time. Just bookmark the page you commented on, and then check back once in a while. My wife carries her Beretta 92 loaded with the hammer down and the safety off so all she has to do is draw and fire; first shot DA and the rest SA. Yes - I always carry with a round chambered. Modern revolvers (Smith & Wesson, Taurus, Ruger, Kimber) have transfer bar safeties and as such theres no need to mention it. 19th century Colt hammers. Apply the 21 foot rule with the holy glock with a round chambered (Im pretty sure that as I was at the Vatican admiring Michelangelos ceiling, it was definitely a glock God was passing to Adam in the famous reclining scene), I bet you you will still lose just as badly. Still no safety. I had the same concerns when I first started to carry my Glock. So you have no quibble with the line; If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire., in relation to SA revolvers? It has good stopping power and it only slightly has more recoil . I have yet to find a dumb ass vaccine. Your taste is in your ass., Your brains (what little you have) are in your ass. I feel its foolish but its my thought. I would like to carry at the ready, but doing so really gives me the heebie-jeebies. carrying or keeping a gun with a round in the chamber, Standard Manufacturings New S333 Revolver Fires Two .22 WMR Rounds at a Time, District of Columbia AG Subpoenas NRA Foundation Financial Records, Gov. I home carry, but as far as pistol lockboxes go, I recommend the Fort Knox (top opening lid) and the Sentry Safe with biometric lock (also has a key and keypad). I could give you many other identical examples of Glocks going off while the owner wore them or handled them. I've carried both extensively. She was brave. when I was in the Harris County, Texas courts, I saw many LEOs that had semi-auto pistols with one in the chamber and the hammer cocked and the holster strap between the hammer and the slide. (Some chance remains, of course, given extraordinary circumstances that can be described but have statistically no chance of happening.). When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Anyone who believes otherwise is delusional. I carried a 1911 for awhile and the duty holsters made for 1911s have the retaining strap that goes across the back of slide, which also blocks the hammer from firing pin. Picture if I was to just strike a primer laying on a hard surface, with a hand held hammer, manually. Another difference is that the Equalizer is only available chambered for the 9mm Luger, where the Shield EZ can be had in .380 Auto, 9mm Luger and .30 Super Carry. People that just cant accept what someone else wants to do compared to what they feel is best for them smacks of their insecurity.. Glocks are awesome little handguns. That doesnt mean you can ever fool around with one. Usually I just get to see Colt SAAs with 16 chamber cylinders. I now have a Walther P99 (OK, Im a Walther fan). Dani: In the case of an inertial firing pin, nothing but a physical block on the firing pin itself will have the slightest effect. Will again once they are old enough to figure out crapping ones pants is a bad idea. Old model Ruger Blackhawks which have not been converted should be carried with the hammer down on an empty chamber, just like Colt SAAs and other vintage and replica SA revolvers. If you did not realize the design is dangerous, you would not have spent so much time belaboring the obvious. And thats only firearms. Either you will practice with chambered, or chamber empty. Im not a big believer in the the bad guy will just take your gun and use it against you school of thought. Learn what it means to have muscle memory. I hope to later, but I just moved to a state that allows it, and our first child just turned one. You learned something. I do same with shotgun the last round fired stays in the chamber. Since the pin must have considerable energy to fire the primer charge, and then must expend that energy quickly through a sudden stop, it really doesnt matter, because the available object to provide the sudden deceleration needed to drive the pin into the round is almost certainly going to be the ground, and the round must be in line with the inertia, which, if provided by gravity instead of the firearm itself, must be downwards. Come on, Gov, you know better than that. says: How often do you train your driving abilities?. I notice that you had to go look it up though. Negligence or stupidity, flip the coin on word choice. It was a girl participating in a shooting contest. All of that seemed a bit verbose for a blog comment, though. Human brains arent too sure of themselves, and if an expected result does not occur, our brain responds by doing the action again, just to make sure it did it the first time. Ask the famous Black Athlete Plaxico Burress that did that in a New York restaurant a number of years ago. What an idiot libtard if you have a gun you get good at handling it stay with your BB gun, Mad says, What an idiot libtard if you have a gun you get good at handling it stay with your BB gun. Off the top of my head, I dont remember actually seeing that, but in The Shootist, John Wayne does mention it. While millions of Americans keep and/or bear GLOCKs and GLOCK-like striker-fired pistols without mishap, mishaps do sometimes occur.Let's face it: the average gun owner has lousy trigger discipline. Dont you dare break the three rules of safe gun handling. I carry one in the chamber of my ruger P89 with 17 rounds in the magazine. Just the same as the guy thumbing the safety off, he will beat me. 2 you may forget to chamber One could write an entire book about just the intricacies of revolver internals, but no one would buy it, now that most dont even know what revolvers are. Want to vent about something? Mr Hoober, If you werent too busy arrogantly doubling down, you might consider trying it some time instead of pretending you know everything but I suppose you are probably more interested in getting audience engagement than giving good advice. Many people have said, "A Glock doesn't have a safety." In this video, Dustin Winegar demonstrates that the Glock pistol design is actually one of the safest. If my chamber is empty, I obviously increase the chances that my gun wont be useful when needed, but I also reduce the chance of a ND caused by a minor in my care. A S&W Model 329. Between the trigger safety, the firing pin safety and the drop safety I feel very comfortable carrying it chambered. Carrying with an empty chamber was John Waynes great advice, applicable to old, single action revolvers. Cycling against objects using your sight is slow and not easily done. I could carry Israeli style, I suppose, and draw-and-rack if it comes to that, but I just saw a training video in which a woman carrying Israeli style would have been killed by a knife had the attack been real. The hammer snagged on a branch, and he shot his horse (he was twisted by the tree). If my shooting was up to par with my driving Id be like Lena Miculek. I use either a DiSantis OWB when its jacket/coat weather or an Alien Gear 3.5 IWB when it Polo or T shirt weather. I really would like to know if theres a response to my comments. I think the Glock leg argument is kinda straying off into another argument, that could be a good idea for its own article. An officer was chasing a man down a stairwell with his pistol drawn and the man was shot, but apparently, he was not actually a criminal. The Glock take down system is an accident waiting to happen and happen it does all the time. I have done special work to lighten my trigger and its still not very touchy. If the trigger safety is not . There is an old article in the LA Times and National Intrest that claims Glocks are accident-prone and overly dangerous pistols. A good 1/2 inch drive ratchet upside the head will drop most anyone like they were a sack of feed corn. And I include all the copy cat weapons as well as they are as common as the common cold. Thats when I started looking for a better way. Correct. So that argument is irrelevant. So anybody can mess with anybody here at any time, by pretending to be somebody else. Open range is a good movie and as far as the other guys standing there in real life its called shock value I did love the the fact Costners six shooter magically self loaded. But Knute is fine, and nobody else seems to want it. In my 3-screw, yes. The same as SJWs or those who suffer from TDS. When you thumb the hammer back for the first shot, it only rotates 1/12th or the way around instead of 1/6th. A lot of guns, particularly the early revolvers, were considered too dangerous to carry with a loaded chamber . A forum community dedicated to Glock firearm owners and enthusiasts. The Baltimore Police Department, Los Angeles Police Department, Miami Police Department, and Maryland State Police are all known to utilize the Glock handgun. which for them is unwise because it feels utterly unsafe to do so Often, its holstering the gun into a holster that compromised by clothing. One of the first shoot houses ever built was built by Fairbairn and Sykes to train their officers. On a range or match gun, OFC, my choice is different. Even though they don't have . And I dont want to have to think about anything. Here's video that GLOCK produced that explains the trigger safety. I suggest a CZ 75 D PCR, in 9mm. 1 you many not have time to chamber. But that would mean giving up my beloved 1911! It could easily tuck into a nightstand safe or tossed into a range bag. The stone cold killer blows a hole in the braggarts forehead and his buddies stand there with their jaws agape while he starts shooting them. As if every act of negligence is a deliberate act. I could be ELI2016 if I wanted to. Sometimes I ask a question. Perhaps why they werent interested in this modification, even though the investor designed it to be visually unobtrusive and to require minimal modifications to the original design. What youre proposing is more, Are glocks, or other strikers without safeties, truly safe?. Thats a bunch of bologna written by writers who know nothing about guns. This means that if the hammer is carried down on a live round, the firing pin will still not be able to touch the primer, even though the hammer is sitting right down on the pin. I will always carry chambered because I keep my fingers where they belong and therefore don't worry about it. More : Glocks are safe to carry with a loaded chamber as long as they are carried in a . Well, except for that ad hominem attack, anyway. The 1911 has a grip safety as well as a thumb safety. Kind of like Youtube is determined to censor everything but SJWs and cat videos. In fact, when applying for a gun permit in Israel, self-defense is not an acceptable reason to get a gun. The problem is not with the Glock trigger, the problem is a lack of training on the part of the operator. Glocks dont have an external safety because they were designed as a simple to operate as possible. People who carry them are so rare that I felt like it wasnt worth mentioning, and Im probably still right. Now, to rein in this trip into the weeds. Or ya know, apply the tried by 12 or carried by 6 rule. Absolutely. . A safety is much easier to manipulate than a slide though. And we all make mistakes. Of course, older designs without an internal firing pin block can go off if dropped. I thing Mossad guys are well trained, just saying. Those who defend not carrying a round in the chamber preach about it's safety. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. IMO, anyway. The full magazine has ten rounds, and the "+1" is the round that is in the chamber. They didnt know. The Glock series of semi-automatic pistols features Glock's Safe Action System and a loaded chamber indicator.The Safe Action System comprises three passive safeties. Height: 5.4. They claimed that the officer didnt purposefully pull the trigger, but he just twitched from his heart beating fast and the gunshot an unarmed innocent man. I used to carry a Walther PPQ. /sarc off/. 1) either way you do it it takes Training, 2) ya silly ass might forget to flip the safety an fire so there is you 3 seconds, 3) the bullet may not fire, in which case you have to chamber anyway. So old single actions have to be handled and loaded in a certain way to be carried safely. It seems that as long as the trigger is not manipulated the pistol will not fire. Not only that, but the holster allows you to "re-holster" off body which also greatly reduces the odds of clothing or something getting caught in the trigger guard. All except for that one guy above who thinks muscle memory means hell never make a mistake, ever. Its your right to self defense. In the past, I've heard people say they aren't comfortable carrying a loaded firearm on them or want to just scare people away. Maybe you should just use a spork. The idea is that a gun with cartridges in it but not having one in the chamber is close to being loaded and is therefore better than a completely unloaded gun. Because criminals dont follow laws, and as long as you stay off the radar, nobody is checking your gun. When carrying the gun in a holster, the grip safety will keep the gun from discharging, even if the . As one gun writer said years ago, its amazing someone was not smart enough to hire a good gun savvy lawyer and sue Glock out of existence with all the accidents this pistol has caused. I felt a few of the points that were raised had enough merit to discuss further. Id have to go with the DA revolver. Every day. I still dont get any notifications that someone has replied to any of my comments. As for the replicas, these are hit-and-miss when it comes to carrying on an empty chamber. If all you do at the range is stand there at the bench, pick up your gun, lock the slide, insert the magazine, and press the slide stop to send the slide forward, then get on target to shoot, you're not training yourself right. PS: There was a 12 yo kid recently that subdued an attacker with a common socket wrench after Dad missed 39 times with a pistol. Its interesting to note that Massoud Ayoob reported that when one Police Department got fed up with all the accidental discharges with Glocks and went over to a double action only auto that accidental discharges dropped to almost zero.

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